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Post by Admin on Mar 12, 2019 20:49:00 GMT -4
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Astrid D. Soto Ruiz
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Post by Astrid D. Soto Ruiz on Mar 12, 2019 22:07:32 GMT -4
After reading the articles I would have to agree with Erik Messamore when he states that instead of doing more clinical trials and waiting for the results of the effectiveness of esketamine measures should have been taken to get ketamine approved by the FDA. It had already been proven to work in patients with resistant severe depression and reduced suicidal ideations in these people. If this would have been done perhaps many suicides that have happened throughout this time could have been prevented. We live in a society where everything revolves around money and since this drug was approved in 1970 it was not going to make the desired profit, hence there wasn't much revolt to get it approved. The new treatment will be very profitable but at the same time not everyone will be able to afford it and many people who suffer from these conditions are of low socioeconomic status and will not be able to benefit from its effects. How cost effective is it for a patient to have to visit the psychiatrist two times a week in order to get the treatment? To the cost of the treatment you must add the cost of the visit, gas, and the time spent by them in the office. I believe the well being of patients should come before the profit physicians and researchers could get from the treatments. I also believe that now that the direct effects are seen more studies should be done in time about the long term effects of the medication.
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Post by Andrea Akyeampong on Mar 12, 2019 23:41:52 GMT -4
I see now that PACT Atlanta is performing ground breaking strides in providing ketamine for patients with treatment resistant depression. Just a couple days ago I had a patient who agreed to try the ketamine spray this upcoming week! From reading these articles it is apparent how important this drug can be for those suffering with suicide and depression. It looks like "big pharma" is also taking a closer look as well but for more self serving reasons. For Johnson and Johnson to have a foothold on the "party drug" turned healer of serious mental illness is impressive. I found it very interesting that the rate of suicide has increased 30% in the US but is decreasing in other countries, there should be more studies comparing the quality of life of those overseas compared to those here the in US. For one I could understand why suicide is higher in the US, especially those who have returned recently from war and war veterans alike. I used to work for the Navy and have seen first hand veterans suffering with PTSD, anxiety, depression and suicidal ideations. Ketamine or more specifically Esketamine would be highly beneficial but as the article stated almost impossible to received due to insurance companies not covering the high cost. Perhaps where more psychiatrist support this medication,and more studies performed backing the benefits of this drug (just like Dr. Antin's office), insurance companies will be more inclined to support.
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Post by Lily Sangmi Nam on Mar 13, 2019 0:28:05 GMT -4
I actually didn't know much about how Ketamine was being used in psychiatry before reading the articles. As the article said, Ketamine has a bad reputation as an illicit drug. We have this stigma that it is something bad. I was a little hesitant about the use of Ketamine for treatment but the reading the article has definitely changed my mind. Joe Wright was able to completely turn his life around after dealing with depression for his whole life. Dana Manning had tried everything including ECT and nothing worked, except Ketamine. She mentions that it was only time she ever felt normal. That is a strong statement. Then, I read that there were ketamine clinics that started to open all the way back in 2012. If clinics opened more than ten years ago, why hasn't ketamine made a bigger impact in the field of psychiatry until now? Why aren't we using ketamine more? I think there were a couple of points that the article mentions, which includes research. We didn't have lot of research about Ketamine and the clinical trials were small. Now, we do have more research that allows us to administer Ketamine in a safer way. I think it also helps that a big company such as Johnson and Johnson is involved. This aspect also helps us get over this stigma that Ketamine is only an illicit drug. Furthermore, it is now FDA approved. I hope that we can continue to learn more about Ketamine so that we can use it to help people with depression.
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Post by Usman Khan on Mar 13, 2019 0:44:41 GMT -4
The articles this week were extremely eye-opening. I was familiar with Ketamine as a party drug, but and obviously knew that it could be used to treat depression, but the effectiveness of it as a “suicide drug” was something I was not aware of. As mentioned in the articles, suicide rates in this country are rising and given Ketamine’s effectiveness at helping people combat suicide, I think it is of vital importance for continued research into the matter. Given more research, and with increases in the drug’s efficacy, safety and ease of availability, Ketamine has the potential to change an enormous amount of peoples’ lives for the better, people who might otherwise be lost to suicide.
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Diorella M. Lopez-Gonzalez
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Post by Diorella M. Lopez-Gonzalez on Mar 13, 2019 2:40:17 GMT -4
The psychological damages of depression such as isolation, ruined relationships, loss of jobs or even go to the extremes like attempting and committing suicide are things that are on the mind of the provides on how they can help them. As the FDA approved the Esketamine for the use of severe MDD it at first was a seen and finally the answer for this, but as it’s mentioned in both article questions regarding various things started to appear. There is the need of guidance on the use, and its distribution. The accessibility to the patient even though is created to prevent the abuse of it make is almost some sort of impossible for the patient to be beneficiate from it. One of the most important questions is until when the patient will be need to be in the treatment, does it really decrease the suicide ideation or attempts, what will be the long term impact of Esketamine in the severe MDD patient? Still more research should be done to be able to answer this question so us as providers we can advise, guide and try to give to the patients a life as normal as possible and most importantly suicide prevention.
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Post by Juliet Okeke on Mar 13, 2019 4:34:07 GMT -4
I am currently writing a case study on ketamine treatment for recurrent MDD and is thrilled to discover the incapacitating effects of depression and the increased rate of suicides in USA by 30 percent. We had a new patient at the clinic the other day who has mdd and years of unsuccessful treatment with antidepressants. He reported to not recalling any particular time in over 20 years of him having pleasure, added to the sexual side effects of SSRIs. While speaking with Dr. Antin on this topic, he said to have seen his depressed patients on antidepressants for years, smile for the firs time during intranasal ketamine t/t. Just like the article highlighted, ketamine’s antidepressant effects is in its ability to provide a QUICK molecular reset for brains impaired by stress or depression, via release of a burst of glutamate, which in turn, triggers the growth of synapses, or neural connections, in brain areas that may play a role in mood and the ability to feel pleasure. Having seen depressed patients on ssri, with complaints of bothersome side effects, I do have questions about the side effects of ketamine, does it have a lesser side effects profile?
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Post by O. Nefertiti Umeh on Mar 13, 2019 8:23:34 GMT -4
Ketamine, the article describes as once known as a dirty drug, is making some major strides that I was not aware of. I think its great that there is an increasing amount of research being done and promising results for our suicidal patients. This whole ketamine movement is sort of similar to the marijuana movement, once a dirty drug but now a form of therapy. The only difference is it seems as though ketamine is taken more seriously and therefore gathers more research. Its interesting to see what other untraditional drugs will be discovered as a source of therapy for stubborn diseases. Esketamine/sprovato being FDA approved and available for administration in certified clinics is great. Once again very similar to the boundaries of the medical marijuana industry. I agree with the arising question of how much ketamine will actually get into a patient’s system if sprayed nasal form and if it would be wasting money if not all of the medicine is absorbed verses the IV form. Also, the article makes a good point about the business aspect, no one took ketamine treatments seriously until it became lucrative. Unfortunately, this truly reinforces how medicine has changed over the years from patient centered care to just business.
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Post by Elena Liang on Mar 13, 2019 8:42:41 GMT -4
Like many people, when I hear ketamine, “the drug people get high with?”. I first heard of ketamine as an abused drug. I had never heard of ketamine being used for anything else other than getting high prior to medical school; and now, to read about how ketamine can treat treatment-resistant depression and suicide is great. When I saw one of the patient being treated with ketamine, after the end of the session, the patient was smiling and being talkative, which was different compared to the patient’s pre-treatment phase. Living in severe depression that puts people in suicidal mindset is the most terrible way to live. To be trapped in your mind, as mention by J. Wright, “…being ambushed by your own mind”; is worse than being trapped in a situation because being trapped in your mind, there is no way out. I imagine it as your own mind make you feel like you are stuck in a room without any doors to get out of. Having to feel like your mind as your own worst enemy, to me, would make me feel hopeless too. I am glad there is a treatment that can get people out of these situations.
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Post by Shivani Sharma on Mar 13, 2019 17:19:56 GMT -4
“It’s like you have 50 pounds on your shoulders, and the ketamine takes 40 pounds off.” I was shadowing while one of the patient in the clinic was being given Ketamine treatment and words above in the quotation marks, from the article, are very similar to what this patient said right after the treatment. He said that I feel like this weight is lifted off my shoulders and I feel relieved. This was the same pt that, 30 minutes ago, was very withdrawn from his surroundings, showed no interest in the conversation and visibly had flat affect. Thirty minutes into the treatment and he is a different person, he is very engaged with everybody in the room, making jokes, smiling a lot and had a very comfortable, less anxious body language. It almost felt like a miracle! Being able to see the immediate effects of this drug, first hand, was amazing. However, after reading the article, I see this other side of medicine, which is not just to watch these ‘miracles happen’ but is about the financial and political aspect of bringing a treatment into actual practice. A life saving drug is ignored because it doesn’t carry much financial potential. Article, however, does leave on a positive note with esketamine and with other researches being able to replicate the results. It is very hopeful to think that we may be able to treat not just the treatment resistant depression but also suicidal ideation with the same drug. Another focus of the article was suicidal ideation and I find it very interesting how they separated depression from suicide. Article mentions that suicide can have chemical physiology that is different from suicide, which is really fascinating because I have always thought of suicide as an aftermath of other mental illnesses. To see suicide as a separate entity in it self is definitely a new perspective for me.
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Post by Phylicia Morgan on Mar 14, 2019 22:38:42 GMT -4
This was a great article that a good synapsis about ketamine. The article brought us up to date on the use of ketamine and esketamine. Prior to reading this article, I was unaware that ketamine can be used for recreational drug use. I’m looking forward to the actual release of rapastinel which will have an even greater effect than esketamine. Another student recently informed me about her experience in witnessing a patient’s before and after effects here at PACT in which I was greatly intrigued. This article has been an even more eye opener of how life changing this product is for suicide ideations and depression
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Post by Ashkan Ataellahi on Mar 16, 2019 18:02:55 GMT -4
I never thought that Ketamine would be used as a form of treatment in MDD patients seeing as how it made people behave recreationally. However, we've definitely come a long way in medicine and I think it's exciting to see just how far Ketamine will help patients with their psychiatric disorders. Just a couple of weeks ago we were discussing marijuana and its positive uses for people dealing with pain and anxiety. The fact that it can reduce suicide ideations as well is another bonus for doctors helping these kinds of patients. This weeks article was definitely eyeopening and I can't wait to see where this takes on normalizing the chemical imbalance in patients with these various forms of drugs that were once looked upon negatively.
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Post by Charles Rodarmor on Mar 20, 2019 11:02:26 GMT -4
This was an excellent article on the concept of "micro-dosing" as a form of tapering off of medications as opposed to the often used 4-week taper. These extended taper regimes seem to be very effective according to studies conducted thus far. While it's unfortunate that it has taken physician's own experiences with tapering and withdrawal to become more aware of the inherent fault in the commonly prescribed regime, I think that moving forward, a great deal of effort should be put into effective strategies for tapering with the goal of benefiting the patient in the long term. This will likely require cooperation from drug manufacturers in order to provide smaller doses off manufactured drugs in order to allow accurate step-wise decreases in dosage for certain patients. The effort should be made in implement these changes, however, as it is in the best interest of the patient and will allow physicians more flexibility in the application of tapering and adjustment to dosage for their patients.
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