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Post by Admin on Apr 1, 2019 16:20:19 GMT -4
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Post by Alexandra Brodka on Apr 1, 2019 20:18:17 GMT -4
It is truly eye-opening how many pathways exist in medicine and medical education. Just within the field of forensic psychiatry, Atrium Health explains the variety of niche areas that Dr. Soliman practices in. I think it’s incredibly difficult for medical students to really decide if a residency is the right fit just from our core rotations. We get a great taste of in-patient care and out-patient interactions. However, evaluating police officers and firefighters who have suffered severe trauma in the line of duty, conducting civil referrals, and learning from neuropsychologists isn’t something that students generally know about or get to experience. It really shows how important it is to research what a specific residency can eventually lead you to down the road.
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Post by Arsalan Shah on Apr 1, 2019 21:48:46 GMT -4
The article focusing on Anne Harrington and the hubris of psychiatry was interesting in its approach to the science of psychiatry. The discussion of how psychiatry conducts treatments first and then attempts to rationalize the result was interesting. Treatments such as lobotomies, use of ice baths and insulin induced comas without empiric evidence of the effectiveness of treatment seems contrary to the practice of medicine. I agree with the conclusion of the article which comments on a broader dialogue between psychiatry and other social science in order to better generate a holistic approach to treating mental health which does indeed have a wide range of implications for society.
The article discussing duplicate medical records is also interesting, I was surprised to learn that it was initially mandated by congress, but a little confused as to why they chose not to mandate the use of a single system as appose to multiple vendors of EHR. However, the fact that other countries such as Norway are already using well developed EHR which decrease redundancy offers a pretty good template for the united states to follow.
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Post by Ashkan Ataellahi on Apr 1, 2019 23:13:38 GMT -4
It's amazing to see how far we've progressed in medicine in such a short period of time. I never really knew what forensic psychiatry entailed but it was truly eye-opening to see how different professions could work together when assessing the same case. Just goes to show how we are advancing in our society. Anne Harrington's discussion was interesting and brought out some interesting points regarding mental health. Especially highlighting the way we are treating patients potentially doing more harm than good. It just goes to show how much we still have to learn what falls under the umbrella of mental health and what're the most efficient ways in treating them.
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Post by Vitor Martins on Apr 2, 2019 0:03:28 GMT -4
Regarding the first article, I believe the difficulty in seeing Psychiatry through more objective lens has much more to do with an impression the general public has that environmental factors play a greater role in it than in other diseases, when, in fact, many of them don’t- schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, for example, have a much stronger genetic predisposition than many (if not most) prevalent conditions.
Just like any other “general medical condition”, psychiatric disorders have risk factors, disease progression, classical presentation, diagnostic tools etc. Their definitions are based on the same scientific method- observation and a repeated pattern that allows a conclusion and a categorization.
The development of new diagnostic criteria and new clusters with each new DSM is another thing that is a misconception. Hypertension definitions and targets change with basically any new consensus (as is expected with all the new studies released every year), and yet I don’t see the same commotion towards trying to diminish their importance or trying to state “hypertension doesn’t exist”.
And as for treating vague diseases like ague and dropsy, who knows if 300 years from now they won’t laugh at how today our definitions were vague as well? Many other very well established disorders (fibromyalgia, irritable bowel disease, to name a couple- not including literally any disease with “idiopathic” in its name) have no particular understanding on their exact mechanism either.
Psychiatry, in my view, has no more hubris to it than any other medical field- it provides relief, increases in life expectancy and quality of life. Cure may be extremely rare, but other than infectious diseases, in which other specialty isn’t it?
The article on forensic psychiatry is very interesting. It is such a complex and difficult area that most general forensic doctors cannot deal with it- it takes a forensic psychiatrist. The fact that they rely so much on history and have such limited additional tests to be able to give a definitive causation really intrigues me, especially when manipulation by the interviewer can be such a factor.
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Post by Jasmine Sidhu on Apr 2, 2019 0:37:27 GMT -4
It's fascinating to read how forensic psychiatrists working hand in hand with law enforcement to assess and determine the outcome of certain crimes. Forensic medicine has a big impact on not only the individual patient but the community as a whole as a crucial part of forensic medicine is assessing the patients risk of harm to others not only themselves. As medical students its easy to imagine working in a hospital or a clinic and forensic medicine is not a specialty we might normally imagine ourselves working in. Since the range of skills needed in these complex legal cases is so vast it can appeal to many different lines of work as well. It would be interesting to work with different professionals for a common goal for the betterment of the community. The work seems it can be stressful at times, working with patients with troubled backgrounds however with very rewarding outcomes to the patient and society.
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Post by Alison Burkett on Apr 2, 2019 1:30:48 GMT -4
Having rotated through multiple psych rotation I feel that the article article “Psych: Incurable Hubris” Accurately demonstrates that psychiatry is a difficult and unique specialty given the lack of a tangible source of disorder or pathology. However, I feel that the article is remiss and using the term hubris, and that “misguided hope” would be a better qualifier. While the road to hell is paved with good intentions and these physicians are guilty of “overreaching” the fundamental desire to understand the pathology of mental illness remains firm. While the manner in which physicians evaluate the pathology may be questionable at the time, it may be necessary in the name of progress and reform.
The second article regarding forensic psychiatry was fascinating, given that it is a specialty that is often mentioned but never fully discussed, especially in the era of true crime television. It was interesting that such a highly specialized practice was so multi-faceted, abs dependent of patient history (far different than other specialties). I am looking forward to the unique opportunity to experience the blend of law and medicine that forensic psych allows on my forensic psych rotation.
In the article regarding mixups between medical records illuminated the Overwhelming communication failure that overshadows current medical practice. We have all witnessed inconsistencies in medical documentation in the hospital and the clinic, and have even watched as these inconsistencies have been exacerbated by EHR. How many times have we created a “new patient” when we can’t find an old one? How many times have we copied and pasted patient information without challenging the validity? While I agree that something needs to be done and there is no quick fix, it will be interesting to see how the modern health system chooses to address this short coming. I find it even more intreging when methods relying on incredibly unique features (iris scanning) is suggested as it raises an entirely new dilemma: what is the cost of patient identification, is it patient privacy?
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Post by Eric Garza on Apr 2, 2019 2:23:44 GMT -4
The first article outlines some of the criticisms, and shortcomings of psychiatry. I feel like , in some ways , singling out psychiatry for not really knowing what causes the diseases or how the medications that treat them work , is prejudice . I can name more than a handful of non-psychiatric diseases and medications for which the textbook simply reads" the mechanism is not fully understood ." What I do find interesting is how institutions like the APA can remove and add diagnoses and criteria from the DSM and label previously "normal" people as "sick" . It is more of a subjective area of medicine perhaps when compared to other specialties. Nonetheless , I expect that with the progression of technology , we should see more advances in all fields of medicine including psychiatry. This will , I'm hoping , elucidate some of the complex pathologies responsible for the diseases. The topic of forensic psychiatry is one I find very intriguing . Growing up surrounded by lawyers , I heard stories about how the mental status of a patient could sway a case. I was told that it was common for people who committed murders to suddenly start claiming that " it was the devil and voices in my head that made me do it ." That final call from the psychiatrist was the difference between 10 years in a mental institution or 50 years in the clink . With crime shows becoming more popular in our culture, I see the field of forensic psychiatry growing more in years to come .
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Post by gabriellewade on Apr 2, 2019 6:19:55 GMT -4
In my opinion, the article entitled "Psychiatry's Incurable Hubris" brings to light the fact that medicine and medical research is not where it should be where mental health is concerned. Still, more emphasis and effort needs to be placed on researching the pathology of mental disorders as is done with non-psychiatric related conditions such as cancer. This needs to be done especially in the Caribbean where mental conditions are often ignored and left untreated and patients are instead just described as " crazy" or " wicked" when justifying their "abnormal" behavior. More research into the pathology of mental conditions will also help to remind and to reinforce to medical practitioners that patients comprise of both body and mind. This ties in well with the second article which discusses forensic psychiatry. I've never really thought about the importance of forensic psychiatry outside of watching Crime Scene Investigation series on television. It helps to bring to light that impact and importance this field of medicine has on the future of an individual who has committed a crime. It also helps to emphasize that medicine extends beyond the hospital and ensures that justice is indeed served in cases where offenders are in fact afflicted by mental disorders and should be treated and given a lesser sentence or individuals who had all their mental faculties while committing the crime and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
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Post by Kimieka Ricketts on Apr 2, 2019 9:01:36 GMT -4
Anne Harrington’s, Mind Fixers:Psychiatry’s Troubled Search for the Biology of Mental Illness, elucidates the imprecise method of diagnosing psychiatric illness due to dependence on outward manifestations to diagnose and treat as opposed to a practice based on science. The study of psychiatric methods of treatment lends itself to a trial and error practice. Treatments were more experimental and came with an observation of patient’s response and without explanation of mechanism. More research needs to be placed on understanding psychological diseases and treatments as opposed to a trail and error system. However, even with modern advancements in medicine the brain is complex and discerning psychiatric illnesses and treatments can only be based on observations and experience rather than theory.
The article regarding the field of Forensic psychiatry was interesting in that I thought about its effectiveness and ethicality when considering Harrington’s article. In the field psychiatry where theoretical science is lacking, it begs the question as to the morality of using under-developed medical advances to assess if mental illness played a role in persons who commit crime. The psychiatric examination is based on detailed interview with emphasis on the psycho-legal issue and not based on scientific measurements, such as DNA testing, fingerprints or blood splatter. In a practice where medical knowledge is lacking as described by Anne Harrington, I do not think it is ethical to use mainly subjective psychiatric evaluations to assess the mental state a person facing imprisonment, as the brain is poorly understood and there are no concrete theories to evaluate psychiatric illnesses.
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Post by Mary Didden on Apr 2, 2019 9:59:03 GMT -4
While I feel that the article written by Mr. Greenberg was a bit harsh and overly critical (aka polemical), it did have some valid points. For a very long time psychiatrists were called quacks and psychiatry itself was seen as a pseudoscience. In fact, many people still view it this way. I believe this is due in part to a lack of hard scientific evidence about the pathophysiology of mental illness. While I don’t agree with the tone of the article which suggests psychiatrists are merely fumbling around in the dark, all they have to go off of his hypotheses. We believe that a serotonin imbalance is responsible for depression. We believe that a dopamine imbalance is responsible for schizophrenia. We believe that a problem with the locus cereuleus is at the root of panic disorder. See what I mean? Maybe someday this conundrum will be remedied, but for now we must work with what we have available to us. I found the article about forensic psychiatry interesting. I did not realize all the different things that forensic psychiatrists do. I suppose I assumed it was just interviewing criminals, but there is a much broader range than that.
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Post by Charles Rodarmor on Apr 2, 2019 11:17:45 GMT -4
“Psychiatry’s Incurable Hubris”
As we continue our education in medicine we are often told that each person is different and will respond to treatments and medications uniquely. I think this is one way in which psychiatry differs from specialties like Internal Medicine. For an Internist, giving insulin to one patient may decrease their blood sugar to a greater degree than the same dose of insulin given to a different patient, but the effect on both patients seems to be fairly predictable and consistent. This is even truer if factors such as body weight and hydration status are taken into account. From my limited experience, it seems that the effects of psychiatric drugs from one individual to another are much less predictable, with the efficacy ranging from excellent to relatively non-existent even when using the same drug for the same “condition” in “similar” patients.
“Forensic Psychiatry”
I have always found true crime very interesting and have read quite a few books about the subject. In the cases that I have read about or watched documentaries of, the Forensic Psychiatry profession often seems to bridge the gap between the circumstances or physical evidence of the crime and the resulting punishment. These expert witnesses help the judge or jurors decide “how and if” the punishment fits the crime. This seems to be a very difficult job that requires a significant amount of experience interviewing individuals with potential psychiatric disorders, who may or may not have committed a crime or fully understand the implications of their actions.
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Post by Bassem Hanna on Apr 2, 2019 12:48:19 GMT -4
Forensic psychiatry seems like a fascinating subspecialty of psych and a good fit for people who have an interest in getting more exposure to the jurisprudence aspect of medicine. Being the doctor who decides whether or not a defendant is insane is quite a responsibility and it would be very interesting to sit in on one of these interviews and see the interview process involved with making such a decision.
The other article raises many fair points about how the field of medicine has not yet discovered the exact mechanisms for many of the psychiatric drugs used and why they are effective. It makes sense for us to want to seek out answers for these kinds of questions so we can perfectly explain how a medication will help a patient's mental illness. Unknown mechanisms and "idiopathic" illnesses are still abundant in other areas of medicine as well. As long as these medications treat the illnesses that they are purported to work on (hopefully with minimal side effects) then our mission as doctors is accomplished. Hopefully, continued research and development in the medical field will allow for us to have a more nuanced understanding of these medications in the future.
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Post by Benjamin Hunter on Apr 2, 2019 13:39:40 GMT -4
I found it very interesting to look at the different approaches that the first article discussed in terms of psychiatry. I feel as though this can be thought of in neurology as well as other systems where hard science doesn't back the treatments, and every person has a different response. Although all fields of medicine have this to a certain extent in terms of responses to medicine, the theoretical and practical differences in psych are much greater than other specialties. Although I do disagree that there is no true science, as lobotomies have become ect and furthermore TMS, showing the great strides that have been taken in this field in the last fifty years. I found the variation in forensic psychiatry to be much greater than I expected, silence of the lambs paints a much different picture of what the field is like.
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Post by N P on Apr 5, 2019 15:56:39 GMT -4
“Psychiatry’s Incurable Hubris”
The brain is a complex structure. Doing psychiatric research is more difficult as compare to other fields. For example, scientists working on an antibiotic, can do their experiments in a Petri dish. They can take blood sample or pus sample to find out the accuracy of results. This is not the case with brain research. The effects of psychiatric drugs from one individual to another are much less predictable, with the efficacy ranging from excellent to relatively non-existent. Science has made tremendous progress in the field of psychiatric diseases. Neurotransmitter knowledge has made anti-psychiatric medicine research more focused as compare to hit and trial method used in the past. Yet, it still needs lots of basic brain knowledge to achieve the desired solution for many psychiatric problems.
Today’s generation is better educated and want to know what is the mechanism of the drug they are taking as well as what the side effects are. Drug companies also get benefit by putting drug target on label to help them market their products. Governments have to spend more money on basic research to know more about brain and psychiatric illness mechanism.
Nawal Paul
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