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Post by Admin on Jan 31, 2017 11:43:10 GMT -4
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Post by Adenike Orogade on Jan 31, 2017 13:17:19 GMT -4
Immigration Ban and Medicine.
With a new government , there will be changes. Changes bring a ripped effect on each life daily. It is a sad truth that locking down the borders which is aimed to protect will mostly harm. Majority of students who come through rotation are either foreign born or immigrants from a different generation. Cutting off the influx of people will make the pool stagnant with no new minds to work. If this ban is reciprocated, all the research done in other countries will be stopped. The high demand for pharmaceuticals will reduce. The already high demand for doctors will become higher as half the population of doctors and residents will be forced to leave to their various countries. My heart really bleeds for people who are in need for treatment that can only be provided here due to increase expertise. That will be blood on the governments hands as they unknowingly kill innocents
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Post by Connie Lapadat on Jan 31, 2017 13:20:04 GMT -4
This article reminds me of many movies of the last decade that pertain to the end of the world where characters vanished! Suddenly it seems that our doctors, neighbors, and co-workers are vanishing like in a horrible movie. The drastic, STAT orders for immigration recall could be considered a slippery slope of a violation of human rights and freedoms according to human rights attorneys. Although the unnspoken rule of do not mix medicine with politics, the political slant of the new immigration ban is more of a human rights dilemna than 'fancy' politics; and as student doctors we need to bring this to our discussions. Having come to the US on an H1B visa from Canada six years ago the struggle and stress to get a green card has been one of the worst experiences of my life. I can only imagine if I was now asked to leave based on religion or the fact that one day Canada could be considered a banned country for whatever reasons. H1-B visa holders have to prove through a laborous manner they are filling a position that a US born citizen cannot fill. With seven countries barred from the US I wonder when other countries will be "banned." So far there are seven on the list but there are many more countries with terrorists. In fact, Canada is well known to have war criminals and to have harbored terrorists unknowingly in the past so being on the border with the US, perhaps Canada is next? I think we cannot understand the political fundamentals of the decisions but we can understand the human impact of the decision and the trauma that these actions will instigate both on individuals, families and American society.
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Post by Amanda Smith on Jan 31, 2017 16:29:09 GMT -4
Only time will tell the effect this immigration freeze and future immigration legislation enacted by President Trump will have on health care. We all have foreign friends, classmates, or are foreign ourselves. Because of this, our knee-jerk reaction is to become irritated and enraged at a seemingly ludicrous executive order. the fact of the matter is, as physicians, we will not be out of job whether our residence is in America or Saudi Arabia. We have some of the best job security education can buy. If we are unable to take advantage of an opportunity such as immigration and the work force it supplies, perhaps we can boost our economy and fill those vacancies with American workers in desperate need of employment.
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Post by Nicholas Ruth on Jan 31, 2017 18:42:33 GMT -4
The long term impact is hard to quantify at this point. The executive order seems to be changing daily and it is unsure how it will be implemented. Initially, it was a total ban for those seven countries, but now it looks like immigrants with green cards and approved visas will not be affected. Regardless, the furor over this order and how it may play out could impact foreign health workers and students choosing to practice in the US. If it does, the projected future shortage in health care workers will only increase resulting in patients having trouble seeing a doctor when they have a need. It may result in more people going to emergency rooms because their condition worsens because of treatment delay. If the executive order is reversed, future immigrants may still choose not to come to the US because of uncertainty in their ability to stay in the US long term, and potentially having to disrupt their families. Future immigrants from beyond the named seven countries may also have concerns about choosing the US.
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Post by knedeff on Jan 31, 2017 20:51:50 GMT -4
I found this article interesting in that it is definitely current and certainly affecting the healthcare industry. I do not think any of us would disagree with what is being said in the article. I know many of my classmates, especially coming from a Caribbean school, could potentially be in this state of limbo. I have read several conflicting stories the last few days as far as who is actually being restricted, detained or deported and hope a better, more concrete resolution can be reached soon. There is already such a shortage across the various specialties, that if this continues indefinitely, the entire general public will ultimately suffer.
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Post by Fatima Misbah on Jan 31, 2017 21:11:34 GMT -4
President Trump's new policies on immigration have created a lot of furor in the past few days. There have been a lot of conflicting stories both in the news and on social media. According to many, this new ban will affect the health of many Americans, since it seems that 25% of the physicians practicing in America are foreign born. Immigration experts are claiming that the new proposed changes to the H-1B visa program will shortchange the Americans of many nurses and qualified healthcare professionals. The ban not only affects the people who work directly with patients, but those who work in research developing tools to help treat those patients. Majority of the researchers who work on vaccines and cures come from abroad on the H-1B visa. This policy might change the face of healthcare in America for many years to come.
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Post by tamunobelema on Feb 1, 2017 0:40:38 GMT -4
Although the immigration ban was issued to protect the united states and its citizens from foreign nationals who intend to commit terrorist attack its obviously not the best move to manage the situatiion right now as there are many people who are here for legitimate purposes foreign nationals in the health sector who have genuinely served the people and still serving. i'm afraid this is just the beginning of the crisis.
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Post by seunghoonyang (ms4) on Feb 1, 2017 15:55:41 GMT -4
Immigration Ban and Medicine
During this announcement, I was on the phone with a friend who volunteer's at refugee center. Group of refugees were gathered together to listen to President Trump's speech. As Trump talks about the immigration ban, the suddenly became quite on the other line and I could hear people starting to cry. For the refugees it was end of an era. After reading the article, I realized that it is not so much different for health care workers. Being a foreign medical graduate, it is hard to get residency spots to begin with, but now it is going to be harder even with good grades and step scores. However, I except the fact that President Trump is indeed President of United States and his intentions are purely for the people of America. There will be by standards for any constitution or new headship. As a foreign medical graduate, now I have to work extra hard to prove myself.
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Post by Carolyn Lenz-Tucker on Feb 1, 2017 17:10:40 GMT -4
For news reading individuals, this is a scare tactic only. Obama originally decreed, through presidential mandate, this ban on December 14, 2016. Trump is only allowing it to continue as written. And it is applied only those individuals who are coming in from 7 specific countries in the mid-East and it only applies to those people without the correct vetting and papers. It is Trumps continued attempt to protect our borders, just like any other sovereign nation. All the scare mongers of the tabloids are only causing a panic where none exists. Every individual who wants to enter this country legally, can continue to do so with the correct paperwork in order. There will be no shortage of doctors or nurses. Healthcare will continue as it has been and the sky is not falling.
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Post by Paul Rangitsch on Feb 1, 2017 22:11:45 GMT -4
Judging from the previous posts from my colleagues, the reaction to this article ranges anywhere from "This is no big deal!" to "America is so hypocritical.. Home of the Free, yeah right!". The truth, as is usually the case in most matters, probably lies somewhere in the middle. The article specifically stated that no data was available as to how many come from the 7 nations targeted in the ban. Without this data, it's merely speculation as to how much of an impact this will have. There does at least seem to be a population of people, however small or large who will be affected by this unfairly. The temporary nature of the ban hopefully is only a small bump and I would advocate those who were affected unjustly be compensated somehow, particularly if they are left stranded apart from family during this time of uncertainty.
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Post by April Frater on Feb 2, 2017 11:34:29 GMT -4
Unfortunately, I believe that this ban will worsen the physician shortage that already plagues the United States. As mentioned in the article, there are many foreign physicians in this country; many of who work in rural primary care. I imagine that this will deter many doctors from choosing the United States as a place they will practice medicine due to fear of deportation. This will hurt many people when large areas do not have access to a physician. There are also many uniquely talented physicians who work in specialties that will be deterred in the future from choosing to practice here. It is unfair to the people of the country. Although I can understand the fear that has been created by extremists such as ISIS, it is not fair to group countries and religious groups as a whole. There has to be a middle ground to stand on.
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Post by zachw on Feb 2, 2017 12:07:22 GMT -4
I'm really wondering why everyone is acting like this is the end of the world. This is a temporary halt to USA-bound travel from seven countries, and that's all it is at this time. We can speculate about the future all we want, but I am afraid the hysteria over this executive order is a little excessive, not to mention premature. The evidence that this is negatively impacting our country at this point is anecdotal at best, so I think we all just need to calm down and see what happens. Also, everyone seems to forget that during this period of travel ban, there are still ways for people to receive exemptions. It's not like they are being forever cast into the Pit of Despair.
This halt is meant to give government agencies time to seriously revamp the vetting process for who is allowed in this country. I think we can come to some sort of consensus that the existing vetting processes are not quite doing their job, correct? So what is the harm in allowing some time to try and fix what's broken? If things aren't improving after the end of this halt, then people are entitled to freak out that the world is ending. Until then, let them try and figure out a better way to protect our country and anybody who may be residing in it.
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Post by erogler on Feb 2, 2017 12:20:27 GMT -4
This article only confirms that political issues can't be isolated from one another. They are too connected by a web of overlapping opinions and priorities.
Reading this has only caused me to ask myself even more questions. For example, why is a quarter of the medical work force from outside the United States? 48,014 people applied to US medical schools in 2013, and only 20,055 were accepted. This proves there is no deficit of those wanting to enter the medical profession, but a lack of places for them to train and prepare for a career in healthcare. Maybe this is the kind of politics we should start supporting on Facebook, twitter, etc. I recognize the financial benefits of simply hiring from without the US education system, but that scenario has led to our current outsourcing situation, not this new executive order.
In addition, if recent events in other nations has shown that loose immigration standards has led to an increase in acts of terrorism, then how is shutting down the borders temporarily a bad thing? Is staffing hospitals more important than other national security issues, even if falsely inflated to seem more relevant than they might currently be? The transition of power from one presidency to another causes vacancies in the administration of many agencies and departments that are vital to the proper functioning of this country's government. If temporarily closing the borders to some high risk nations provides the time necessary to complete that transition and properly establish a new government, then I see it as benefiting each and every one of us. Let us develop a system that works and keeps us safe, before we press the play button.
These opinions may not be popular ones, but I believe they bring to light an alternative, and equally important way of thinking about this topic.
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Post by Jordan Hood on Feb 2, 2017 17:00:20 GMT -4
This article revealed how Trump's temporary immigration ban could affect American healthcare due to the amount of foreign healthcare providers practicing in the US. The article could not provide specific data on the number of foreign healthcare professionals that come from the seven nations involved in the immigration ban. However the article did provide current examples of how the travel ban is currently affecting individuals such as the doctor employed at the Cleveland Clinic and patients who are unable to come to the US for their scheduled surgery. I can definitely see the potential of extreme vetting and a continued immigration ban affecting US healthcare in the future. I find it offensive to undermine the reality of the precedent this executive order has set. We have not seen the full effect of this executive order but here is what we do know: according to data provided by U.S. Customs and Border Protection, 1,136 people with visas from the seven countries affected by the order – Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen — were denied boarding of in-bound flights to the U.S. Within those 1,136 were students who held visas. As stated in the article, I too would hate to see us lose our position as a leader in science and medicine and not give those the opportunity to follow their dreams in medicine if this immigration ban continues long term.
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