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Post by Kayla Miller on Feb 2, 2017 19:30:45 GMT -4
I agree with President Trump that our borders do need to be protected, maybe not to this degree, but we can not forget that this is only a temporary ban. I concur that unfortunately this ban may negatively affect health care within this period. I do understand that the US already has a physician shortage, but I don't think that a temporary ban could worsen this shortage. Hopefully moving forward, physicians, and other health care workers will be welcomed into America with open arms to practice and "make America great again," and subsequently improve our health care. On the other hand though, could this possibly lead to a positive increase in job openings, allowing more Americans to be employed, further decreasing Welfare, Medicaid (etc.) expenditures?
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Post by Manisha Sadanani on Feb 2, 2017 22:49:25 GMT -4
While it is understood that 25% of physicians working in America are from a foreign country, there are so many students in America who fight to obtain admission to an American medical school and are unable to. I personally know at least four students who tried for multiple years to gain admission into an American medical school and were willing to go into the primary care fields that the article claims that no American students want to participate in. I agree that most American born physicians are looking towards the higher paying fields, but there are many students who would be willing to stay within the primary care fields if they were simply given the opportunity. Now, with an understanding of this concept, I can understand why Trump would not want additional foreigners to take jobs that Americans would be willing to fill but on the other hand he went about the process entirely incorrectly and thus created even more enemies for himself. Regardless of the politics though, as future physicians and individuals who will become a vital part of the American healthcare system we have to learn to be thankful for the fact that we will always have job security. Regardless of what comes from Trump’s immigration ban and how it progresses after the 90 day limit, our focus should be learning how to best care for our patients that we have direct access to now. Politics and healthcare always seem to clash and the upside of this situation is that in another 4 years things will change again. Some people will favor the changes and others won’t. But new policies and new changes will continuously arise and health care will just have to continue to adapt.
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Post by akritipuri on Feb 3, 2017 0:14:37 GMT -4
It is truly devastating having to wake up one day just to hear about this inhumane policy taking effect. It’s understandable when President Trump says it’s for the safety of the American citizens but this sort of policy only cultivates hate and is an invitation for future wars to come. When it comes to the healthcare industry, this is very obviously demoralizing for the foreign graduates from the Middle East who have invested so much of their time mentally and financially, dedicating so many months to study for the USMLE Steps just to have all their efforts being so easily disregarded. Not to mention the fact that his other healthcare policies will also have an effect on the people of America themselves once the Obamacare has been completely repealed. This will cause around 21 million people to lose their insurance coverage and his plan to replace it with Health Savings Accounts will only help cover five percent of those who have lost their coverage. crfb.org/blogs/analysis-donald-trumps-health-care-plan
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Post by Nupur Mishra on Feb 3, 2017 9:22:04 GMT -4
To be honest, I am not at all happy to read this article. Being an IMG, this could have definite effect on my residency or even completing my rotations, and this uncertainty does not help in learning. It makes me wonder what the true intention of the law is. It reminds me again of poor planning, and I thought of the recent policies being enacted around the world including demonetization in India, and “Brexit” in UK. Without knowing exactly the real thought behind the policies, it is difficult to judge how to best address problems. Collaborating and sharing information is also an important factor in responding to political and societal situations. Demonetization argued for fighting against corrupted money, but ended up hurting the economy and the ones in lower SES the most. The most significant of laws require the greatest transparency, and planning to achieve a certain goal and to exclude unforeseen mistakes. I feel this ban may hurt healthcare more than was expected.
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Post by Eli Saleeby AUIS on Feb 3, 2017 12:32:55 GMT -4
My personal intrigue into medicine was based on the universality of the knowledge being acquired. A patient in Sudan, for all intensive purposes, would react equally with a statistical correlation to a patient in Mumbai being treated with the same procedure. The science of medicine does not delineate between black or white, Christian or Muslim, rich or poor. Medicine goes above and beyond the color of skin the religion that someone identifies with, it is a field of intellectuals yearning to save lives and better mankind. The idea that a political tactic and hardline stance recently implemented will likely slow the progress of medicine inside and outside of the United States is disheartening to say the least. This travesty imposed by these bans is yet to been seen, but not only will the medical community be wounded by these political actions but the people themselves will also be the victims.
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Post by Chaminda Dissanayake (MS3) on Feb 3, 2017 14:50:44 GMT -4
Certainly an eye opening article which shows how sometimes politics really can trickle down to affect us in every day, real life matters of concern. In many countries, not just the United States, there are highly trained and qualified medical professionals who provide invaluable knowledge, experience, insight, and compassion into patient care. The article points out something we should all be cognizant of, which is that in all honesty most foreign-born or foreign-trained doctors will attain positions in primary care, especially in underserved and/or rural communities, while the American-born doctors will have 'first dibs', so to speak, for competitive, prestigious, and higher paying specialties. This means that the majority of patients, at least within the primary care realm, may indeed be currently looked after by some of the very same immigrants this new policy seeks to ban. This is both a disservice to the doctor as well as the patient, which the article underscores quite well. I hope that this is truly only temporary, and can be chalked up sooner than later to a grossly negligent mistake, not to mention one whose prejudice is at best thinly veiled.
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Post by Megan McNichols on Feb 3, 2017 15:00:40 GMT -4
This article makes it sound like this ban will undermine American health care for years to come. Unfortunately, I believe this was a spur of the moment decision made by our new leader to demonstrate power. And because it is a poorly thought-out legislation with the goal of getting a reaction I do not believe that it will last long enough to have the impact that this article suggests. However, if this legislation were to last I agree that we would be losing excellent physicians/residents that could provide needed care to Americans. Since I am looking into going into Primary Care/Geriatrics I am well aware of the inability of many Americans to have access to a good primary care health care provider.
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Post by Sirhley Sifontes on Feb 3, 2017 18:14:29 GMT -4
The immigration policies that have taken over the media during the last couple of weeks are the same policies that Obama implemented during his presidential mandate in 2016. I believe people need to calm down and stop speculating about what will happen in the future. While it is sad that 7 specific countries have been specifically targeted in the ban there is nothing stating that this will be forever. This halt is just allowing the government to correct the vetting process to keep all of us safe. Being an immigrant myself and having gone through the stress that it takes to gain a legal status in this country I can relate to many of the people that this might affect but I also believe that all this people will need to just stop panicking and get all their paper work in order so that they too can enter legally into the United States.
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Post by Nathaniel Rodriguez on Feb 5, 2017 13:34:09 GMT -4
This is a very interesting article and brings up a lot of good points, but I think it fails to mention the impact that we have on the countries that we are bringing the doctors, nurses, and IT tech from. America is all about helping other countries, which is great but what if not allowing the countries skilled workers work visas would this not benefit the country more? These countries would build off their greatest minds, which tend to immigrate to America or Europe and I think this could possible help the countries more than US ever could. Now I am not saying I am for or against the ban just trying to provide an alternative view.
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Post by tanishajerrick on Feb 6, 2017 22:57:56 GMT -4
Since the onset of this Immigration ban I have been having mixed feelings. Trying to find the good in this whilst ignoring the bad. Trumps decision was sudden in its implementation and has disturbed an ant's nest. Not only are we going to lose great physicians; there has been an increase in racial and cultural harassment. A week ago a Muslim employee at Delta airlines was physically assaulted by a man. He kicked her, mimicked the muslim's praying position and cursed her. I do hope the relevant authorities give the right punishment for this. But the question to ponder on is "Are persons from a Muslim or Islamic cultural background safe in America?". I truly hope that there is an immediate change as it regards the entrance of various physicians who are considered 'immigrants'. If not, there will be much burden on the health system and the future is questionable. Despite all that is going on the only comfort is in knowing that all is well.
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Post by ianjvalmont on Feb 8, 2017 12:49:14 GMT -4
This article brings to light some of the key issues for people who are opposed to this executive order. One of the biggest complaints opposition has had was the way the ban was enacted. There was no warning, no time for individuals, or in this case employers like the Cleveland Clinic, to prepare. A lot of people are emphasizing that it is a temporary ban and feel as though opponents are being dramatic, but this temporary ban has dramatically affected some people lives. In the healthcare setting it has stranded medical students, residents and doctors which not only causes potential problems for them as individuals but for their employers and their patients. This also affects those in the residency match this year as well as all of the residency programs. Yes, it is currently a temporary ban, but the president has mentioned improved vetting and it is difficult to tell what exactly that may mean.
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Post by kaylazodle on Feb 8, 2017 15:35:10 GMT -4
The notion of extreme vetting to ensure the safety of American citizens is completely understandable, however, the means in which President Trump has chosen to execute this plan is evidence of his poor judgement. This ban is directly as a result of xenophobic ideations and incorrect generalizations of the Islamic culture.
When the ban was first televised, my main concerns were that the executive order would further facilitate and encourage racism, religious intolerance and bigotry. Which I believe it has. However, this article has opened up my mind to the other detriments that this ban will have, particularly on the american healthy care system.
Based on this article, it is evident that foreign health care physicians are imperative to individuals in rural American communities that require primary care. This executive order will result in a shortage of primary care physicians in America, secondary to revoking the H-1B visas, as well deterring potential foreign health care physicians from wanting to practice in America. Therefore, this order will in fact have most negative effects on American citizens in lower economic statuses, especially those with chronic diseases.
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Post by amber on Feb 10, 2017 16:46:12 GMT -4
It is evident that Trump's immigration ban's threat on the healthcare system is multi faceted. This ban was clearly not well researched; almost 30% of doctors in the US are immigrants. While i acknowledge that security of citizens should be of utmost importance, measures that are put in place should be well calculated. The golden rule in medicine is "first, do no harm" and i extend this outside of the realms of medicine. Empirical evidence clearly show that this is more harmful than good.The pathway to becoming a competent physician is full of challenges, ranging from long hours and years, to life and job stresses, to financial debt. Physicians do not need further obstacles randomly imposed on them by orders that are not well thought out. It is comforting to know that the court system realizes such struggles and Trump is at the end of his executive power. We can hope that other countries learn from this.
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Post by Taymar Phillips (MS3) on Feb 14, 2017 23:31:33 GMT -4
Unfortunately, as a foreign medical student, articles like these dishearten my colleagues and me. Up to this day, most students that file for visas to the United States constantly are rejected. Even just to sit exams such as USMLE are not possible and this discourages persons from even trying their hands at pursuing residency. A lot of us foreign medical students choose to study in the United States because the reality is that the quality of education we obtain at home is nothing compared that we learn here. This article exposes the sad truth that is occurring daily in hospitals and other healthcare facilities across the country and the government is not recognizing the impact that this may have on the system. However, these things happen for a reason and the consequences will be seen as the majority of the hospitals in the country rely on foreign medical personnel to ensure proper care as many Americans have serious chronic illnesses in their aging population. According to an article published in 2016 by the Association of American Medical Colleges, the reason that foreign physicians are mainly encouraged into the U.S. in the first place is that America does not produce enough physicians to keep up with demand. It estimates the U.S. will face a shortage of up to 94, 700 doctors by 2025. If that's the case, eventually as a foreign medical student soon to be a doctor, I will have to think of pursuing my career elsewhere.
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Post by Kennedy Uzoho (MS3) AISM on Feb 15, 2017 0:44:59 GMT -4
Yes,Trump's new order is definitely not one of the best ways of bringing peace in America,it will rather jeopardize the medical career of a lot of international medical graduates(IMGs) and those who currently possess a study visa.And also this order will have a great impact on healthcare in the USA and right now there are a lot of very skilled Medical Doctors who are from the Middle East and other Foreign Born Medical Graduates From Africa and Asia,Its really a bad idea but i do hope the house disapproves that order because it is going to bring chaos to the USA.These Medical Students are the future leaders of tomorrow and the president can't afford to bring up an executive order that would unltimately build up frustration in these young minds,i strongly recommend that this plan should be reversed and restructured in a way that will favor the good and innocent minds and not scare them away from the country and jeopardize their future plans in medicine.
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