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Post by Eli Saleeby AUIS on Feb 16, 2017 13:41:34 GMT -4
Firstly, the ban on immigrants was not created to block the progress of “Muslim Physicians”. Its implementation, however misguided, was designed to safe guard against the health of ‘Americans’ of all races, genders, and religions. The field of medicine is also based around a similar tenant of doing no harm to patients and saving lives just as our court systems have deemed it illegal for a parent to refuse life saving procedures for their child if he a minor. Hopeful future physicians from these majority Muslim countries have fallen victim to the US political machine. Serving as collateral damage to a political agenda my heart goes out to physicians who have been caught up in this web. As I’m aware this view might be somewhat controversial, but I don’t believe the US health system will be impacted quite as strongly as the article tends to exhibit. Physicians from the Muslim Majority countries, as the article stated, are not ‘Clinically significantly’ better than US born physicians. As a scientist and a proponent of capitalism who draws his conclusions based on facts and statistics, a supply and demand economy will balance itself out. It is unfortunate the politics has interfered with the field of medicine by interjecting religion into it and I truly empathize with those hardworking physicians effected by the travel ban.
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Post by Adenike Orogade on Feb 16, 2017 16:45:31 GMT -4
The Value of Immigrant Doctors, As a follow up article from the same author, I feel more research should be conducted and the results be made know. I believe that the welfare of a countries citizens is the number priority of any president. It is a shame that personal grievance will end up hurting the very country and people that he is sworn to protect. As we are dealing with a business man or a self proclaimed one, numbers are very important. The government is able to state the exact amount of licenses and their relevance in the medical field ( both research and non - research based). It is important to note that this work force is also under paid for the quality and quantity of services they provide. I would suggest that a survey of doctors across board be done among the republican party. It may be surprising that the majority of the supporters will end up deporting their own doctors. Knowledge is wealth and it can be used as a power to prevent any unusual situation. The right of speech and expression can be used adequately to spread the importance and value of foreign input into american's simplified life
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Post by Manisha Sadanani on Feb 17, 2017 1:45:04 GMT -4
I think it is first important to know that the ban is temporary and while it may be affecting many right now, it may or may not last. Everyone needs to be patient and just see how things play out in the next few months before jumping to major conclusions. As a medical student, though, I understand the frustration of many international students who's future is up in the air because they feel as if they may or may not be able to hold the residency positions they are applying for. They spent a fortune of money and time to get the chance to practice in the United States and now they are essentially being denied that opportunity. I would feel just as enraged and upset if the roles were reversed and I was being banned from living out my dreams in another country but there is not much that can be done at this point. Regardless of what students say or even individuals in a community say, the future of the ban resides in the hands of a few powerful politicians and we just have to be content with that. This country was founded on the basis of democracy and that is what is being played out right now. The country elected a leader who will manage the country how he best sees fit and the rest of us and the rest of the world have to follow the policies that are put in place.
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Post by Pranjali Dakwale on Feb 17, 2017 2:15:33 GMT -4
I didn’t realize that the medical field was being affected to this extent by the new changes. It is definitely interesting to find out how much of an impact physicians from other countries are having in the medical community in the US. While I understand how one would think that removing physicians from other countries would create more work opportunities for physicians from the US, I don’t believe it is ethical to do so. I just don’t think that any form of discrimination is appropriate whether it is regarding an individual’s work or any other matter. It is also important to look at the field of healthcare as a whole rather than just focusing on one aspect of it.
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Post by Andrew Johar on Feb 17, 2017 2:39:51 GMT -4
The foreign medical physicians are the ones that are servicing much of the country. They also have a slightly better treatment rate and even if not, they are at least comparable to the treatment modalities offered by the American trained physicians. The biggest things that are at play here is that there is not enough medical professionals to treat the American population without the influx of foreign medical professionals. In short foreign medical graduates and Caribbean graduates are the X factor that is keeping the US health system as the best place in the world for medicine. For us to stay that way we cannot allow foreign physicians to stop entering the US.
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Post by knedeff on Feb 17, 2017 12:21:36 GMT -4
This article didn’t say too much not already widely known, except for specific statistics. While I’m not for “the ban,” I have no problem with stricter screening processes in general. I think the biggest problem right now is in trying to implement any new policies in as swift a manner as possible. Unfortunately, I don’t know how to do so without causing uproar. There’s no debating that immigrants play a huge role in the healthcare industry, but they should be able to pass any screens anyway, so I don’t think it would be an issue in the long run. I would like to say everyone should keep on his or her track and have faith that it’ll work out, there’s not much more than can be done.
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Post by tamuno belema on Feb 17, 2017 12:41:03 GMT -4
well after reading this article i realised we have been saying the same thing for awhile now and i do hope that at after all said and done things will be normal again and the whole fuss about immigration ban which have been lifted will be for a better good,i just feel like the president was trying to make a point which i think he did although i am not a huge fan.
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Post by Sirhley Sifontes on Feb 17, 2017 16:40:31 GMT -4
It is heartbreaking as a medical student to be told that after all the work and money spent in medical education one cannot complete their dream. I can only imagine how these doctors are feeling. Nonetheless, I do believe that tighter immigration policy control should be enforced, but I also think that people in the medical field should be somewhat exempt (to an extend). It would be irresponsible to not care for those individuals in need in the rural areas of the country. As we all know most American doctor tend to want to work in the urban areas of the country leaving foreign doctors to take over the rural areas.
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Post by AEZURI2 on Feb 17, 2017 22:20:56 GMT -4
I think this article speaks for itself in the sense that it raises the question on most people's mind, who is going the the job of the immigrants if all seven of those countries are banned from entering the United States? Whether we like it or not, America is a nation built by immigrants, most popularly known as the melting pot of the world and the land of opportunities. Foreign Trained doctors should be given an opportunity to come here and realize the American dream especially as stated in the article that there are not that many American trained doctors to do the Job! Trumps order is absurd and I believe there are many other ways to go about protecting US citizens without the exclusion of an entire group of people.
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Post by iyke on Feb 18, 2017 12:06:03 GMT -4
Foreign doctors!!! Foreign Policies!!! I would say this is is an interesting topic. The president gave his order to ban people from some major muslim countries and it is reported that they there are not enough doctors in the united states. so ironic!!! the understanding that is lacking is that the ban would only make matters worse.The point i am driving at is that there would be more diseases as the population grows. Therefore we need more people with the knowledge and ability to tackle this problem to be allowed to come in and help be it by teaching the neonates of the medical field(medical students) or elderly of the medical profession (consultants). these foreign physicians can really help because there are a lot of disease that are not seen in the United states that other countries could have experiences tackling.
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Post by Nathaniel Rodriguez on Feb 20, 2017 1:53:45 GMT -4
This article is very similar to the one we read week one, but goes a little more in depth about the area immigrant doctors fill. I think its important to not that it is a temporary ban, and from my knowledge no one wants to make it a permanent thing. The quality of work by international doctors study when compared to American born doctors I thought was interesting, and something most people probably over look and just assume us students are better. Something it doesn’t mention though is that when we compare Americas need for doctors to the countries they are immigrating from it seems pretty abysmal, and its worth considering that maybe they could make a bigger impact in the nation from which they came.
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Post by Stefan G on Feb 20, 2017 1:59:01 GMT -4
I prefer to view Trump’s travel ban as an initiation of an extreme vetting process and not necessarily a permanent ban from the country. However, if this temporary ban were to be reinstated it does make an already difficult process even more difficult for foreign doctors and medical students. The studies as presented illustrate that foreign doctors are needed especially in areas where American doctors are in shortage and Trump himself mentioned wanting the “best and the brightest” during his campaign and since his presidency, well often times this may not be found on home-grown American soil. So it is clear that not only America but foreign doctors who do good work and perhaps do as good job as if not slightly better than the average American doctor stand to lose out if the ban is implemented incorrectly. Immigration, especially legal immigration has served America quite well in the past and I think the Trump administration understands that, so I am personally not too worried about the plight of the foreign doctor as the U.S. government attempts to adjust itself to keep illegal criminals out.
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Post by kaylazodle on Feb 24, 2017 5:55:17 GMT -4
This article shares many similarities to the article posted previously about the immigration ban. I enjoyed this article a bit more, as it really did stress the importance and role of foreign medical doctors in the United states. The statement that one of the readers made stating “more jobs for American doctors” was surprisingly comical to me. These doctors work in the most rural areas, most of the time with limited resources, where most American doctors would refuse to work. Decreasing the already scarce number of primary care physicians in rural areas will have the most negative impact on people living in these rural areas.
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Post by tanishajerrick on Mar 1, 2017 3:01:17 GMT -4
I never thought that this is what America's governmental system would come to, taking away DACA, destroying dreams and separating families. To know that this all happened in a couple of months is astonishing. I do believe that foreign doctors do take better care of their patients as compared to American doctors. This can be argued but the evidence still exists. The focus needs to be on the importance and need for better health care and not about how many foreign doctors are trying to get into the US. The US is slowly approaching a period where there will be a shortage of Doctors. What new strategy will they implement then? It unfortunate that "dreamers" came to the US with intentions of seeking a better life many many years ago and now their great decision then is turned into the worst decision. Immigrant doctors have one common goal, and that is to save and treat patients providing a better lifestyle for them to live. Yes this is the same for US doctors but due to the economic status, struggles of poverty, humble upbringings and the need to work extremely hard to get a better life are personal challenges that positively impacts one's personality and level of appreciation. This adds to the overall characteristics of the foreign doctor. All in all the priority is patient care. Better systems need to be put in place to protect foreign medical doctors.
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Post by Sharmaine Brar on Mar 4, 2017 17:12:41 GMT -4
The problem is that Trump doesn’t realize (or doesn’t want to acknowledge) that without immigrant medical students and doctors, they may not have enough people to work in rural areas that American born doctors wouldn’t want to work in. That would cause so many more problems for the middle class that Trump is failing to realize. Just like in so many other professions, immigrants are willing to work in certain jobs that American born people prefer not to. If more people like the administration at that college speak out and show the importance of foreign medical doctors and students, maybe these policies could change. As the number of statistics shown about foreign medical doctors increases, maybe it would show how much the US actually relies on them.
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