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Post by Admin on Feb 22, 2017 12:35:42 GMT -4
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Post by Eli Saleeby AUIS on Feb 22, 2017 13:47:48 GMT -4
There is no difference between the education received by US medical schools to those based in the Caribbean. This false equivalent is merely a rumor mill similar to the one made against DO physicians, which were actually the first medical licensed doctors before the "MD" was created. Just like any college or educational system, you get out what you put in. If you dedicate your time to medicine there is nothing separating the knowledge and skills base from the two different camps. The books are the same, the tests are the same, the requirements are the same... the only difference is the artificial borders that separate US physicians from Caribbean physicians. Unlike International medical school, like those based out of south and central America, Caribbean medical students spend their entire clinical experience in the United States just like the so called "Upper Tier" US Medical Schools. So unless their are some statistics to prove the studying closer to the equator under higher UV rays effects your ability to study, I rest my case.
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Post by amber on Feb 22, 2017 20:30:33 GMT -4
This article hits home for many of us. The medical education available in the Caribbean varies tremendously, and the success you will have after graduation depends on many factors. Yes, acceptance rates are higher, MCAT averages are lower but at the end of the day we all take the same standardized exams which is one of the main determining factors in Residency applications and employment. US medical schools have been around for decades while many Caribbean schools are yet to hit a decade, so top standards will not be achieved overnight. As Students we experience continued changes with rules especially increasing passing scores on NBMEs and Comps, most often without warning, as well as increased and added fees that are all prime examples that schools are determined to change their poor image. Caribbean medical schools are headed in the right direction. With increasing resources, i have no doubt that Caribbean medical schools will be held at the same standard and US Medical schools.
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Post by Osvaldo Friger UMHS on Feb 22, 2017 23:05:52 GMT -4
While the article sheds light on problems Caribbean medical schools have had in the past, it fails to show its progress. Specifically, foreign medical graduates value every opportunity. It’s an enormous sacrifice to pursue a medical education in the Caribbean when one is away from the comforts of home. The unwillingness to make such a sacrifice has been the reason many people opted into another career. Although many Caribbean medical students understand the obstacles ahead, they have shown time and time again that they are willing to go the extra mile to succeed because the passion to become a physician does not fade in times of hardship. It is incumbent on residency programs to look past the school an individual attended and value character, hard work and contact the references in order to truly explore the applicants background.
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Post by akritipuri on Feb 23, 2017 0:55:32 GMT -4
It doesn't matter where you went to for school because anyone who wants to become a doctor in America needs to study the same material and take the same exams. You can put an Ivy League student and a Caribbean student side by side and one may know more than the other but the matter of fact is that they are both standing together in the same position today. Not only that, as important as it is doing well academically, it is just as important to focus on other aspects of becoming a doctor. There are not enough doctors in this world who enter this profession for the right reasons. I genuinely believe the best doctors are those who, even if they don’t do well academically, have the patience, compassion, empathy and dedication to help others. We have resources to build up our knowledge at our disposal but these things cannot be taught. This is why we dedicate our lives studying medicine, to care for others and be there for people like José Luis Garcia, so they feel like they are being taken care of properly, being educated about their illness and helping to build a rapport by spending as much time with them that will ultimately help them in the future. One of the downfalls of Caribbean schools is that they lack resources that American medical schools have to teach their students. However, those who make it through this and the obstacles that come with matching for residency and going into a specialty of their choice, their hard-work and commitment is truly inspiring and motivating.
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Post by Sanju R. Wadhwa - UMHS on Feb 23, 2017 17:52:49 GMT -4
There is definitely a stigma associated with being a Caribbean Medical Student; one that is unjust to say the least. I was admitted to a 7 year combined BS/MD program after high school at the University of South Florida. I successfully matriculated through the first 2 years of the program which included clearing the GPA requirements in addition to the interviews, however was unable to meet the MCAT requirement needed to matriculate directly into the medical school. The same was true with many others in my program; many of them either changed their majors to dental/pharmacy or even extended their program to a 8 year program and ended up applying for DO. In fact, two students who were lucky enough to matriculate into the USF Medical School ended up failing their second year, had to repeat the whole year, but still ended up matching into their top choice programs in the field of psychiatry ironically - I highly doubt that the same outcome would have happened had this occurred with an IMG student or even one from a Caribbean Medical School. Just like Dr. Singh from the article, we all have our own stories and situations that have resulted in going to the Caribbean for medical school but it is also true that for every student that had a low MCAT score or subpar qualifications there are also students in the Caribbean who had better scores than DO students and would have been admitted to a US school under different situations. The curriculum is the same, the board exams are the same, but the hurdles towards residency are not which to me personally has only added fuel to the fire. The whole situation reminds me of the saying "it is not the clothes that make the man, but the man that makes the clothes" in regards to the passion and desire that resonate from all students especially Caribbean in regards to residency and becoming great physicians. The goals are the same but why are the hurdles different? Doesn't seem like a balanced equation.
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Post by Amaka Ezurike on Feb 23, 2017 20:24:34 GMT -4
The Best Doctors in my opinion are those who have the ability to withstand trials and tribulations while maintaining composure, exhibiting compassion for others and caring for the next person as if their own lives depends on it. Caribbean Medical school trained doctors may not have the same prestigious professors as ivy league schools have but they do have to take the very same exams and excel, and they sometimes even get higher marks than students in US medical schools. This is because of the dedication and the desire of caribbean students to become the best doctors they can be, especially with the stigma already out there. It is no wonder that the United States will no longer frown upon Caribbean trained doctors, there is a need for them and their quality of work speaks for itself. Besides that as stated in the article no patient cares desperately to know what school their doctor went to, they care more about the quality of care they are getting. Opening up residency spots for foreign trained doctors will help train students to be better doctors that can provide the best quality of care for their patients. Although the article mentions caribbean schools as a whole it is important to note that the article repeatedly mentions three big name schools Ross, St George's and AUC, my question now becomes are the lesser known medical schools in the caribbean going to receive equal treatment from the united states or will it just be about the big three?
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Post by Hoda Nazari AUA on Feb 24, 2017 0:27:51 GMT -4
As mentioned in the article, there is a shortage of doctors not only in California but nationwide - particularly observed in the area of primary care. Also mentioned in the article, 94% of US medical graduates match into US residencies in comparison to 54% of Americans who study medicine offshore. There is obviously a huge need for doctors in primary care setting, which I feel that Caribbean graduates can help address. Judging from the national trend, US graduates are less likely to work in lower socioeconomic status areas within the US whereas Caribbean students are more willing to work within these populations. I believe that the nation’s prosperity is dependent on the overall well-being of all its populations regardless of socioeconomic status. Therefore, I feel that Caribbean graduates have a place within the nation health system where they can collectively treat and improve the health of overall US population along with their US-educated counterparts.
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Post by kaylazodle on Feb 24, 2017 5:36:41 GMT -4
Whether attending an American medication school or a Caribbean medial school, it is really of no consequence. We all have to learn the same information and we all have the same dream of wanting to become a doctor. The reality is that it is very few IMGs will be match into a residency program, simply because of the misconception of caribbean medical schools. With that being said, as the article indicates, there will be in exponential need for primary care physicians in the United states which will not be filled if IMGs are constantly disregarded. The focus should not l be placed on the apparent issues of Caribbean medical schools, rather it should be placed on the US to increase their residency slots for IMG students in order to meet the demands of primary care providers.
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Post by iyke on Feb 25, 2017 14:46:06 GMT -4
This article points out the demise of IMGs. From the article,it shows there have been a strong dispute about the medical students from cattiness medical schools getting spots in hospitals. Carribean medical schools have over the years been looked upon as inferior when compared with the American medical schools. Student from carribean medical schools are given the "scraps" of the medical field when the residency spots are been applied. I am a medical student from Dominica and I know the work I put in just to get through. The criticism that IMGs are intertwined or are receiving substantial training it's not true. In medical school, students put in about 60% of the effort so if people who have made these comments met students that didn't meet their expectation I would say it's not the schools fault it might just be the students. I have met both carribean medical students and students that studied in the states and not to be biased there is no difference because we have the same curriculum. However,if one was better than the other it's because of the extra effort of each of the students.
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Post by Malaka Mustafa on Feb 25, 2017 21:03:04 GMT -4
To be completely fair, it shouldn’t matter what program or institute you graduate from as long as you can pass the same exam that qualifies the average medical student as a doctor. If there is an exam out there that is inclusive enough to decide a student is mentally capable and knowledgeable about the topic of medicine than any student should be able to take the same exam and work at the same facility as American medical students. Unfortunately, this has not been the case for many years and international students have been looked down upon because of where they went to school. Luckily, these international students have excelled and impressed their patients enough that they are finally getting the credit they deserve. I believe that international students are so motivated to break the stereotype that they are the ones going above and beyond to impress American providers and colleagues. I am glad that international students are filling the void in underserved areas and also making a good name for themselves.
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Post by Sapna Gopal on Feb 26, 2017 13:12:38 GMT -4
The article definitely shows the Caribbean medical student in a better light. It focuses on the struggles and challenges we face competing on island to stay in our respective programs as well as showing that once in residency we are no different than our peers from US medical schools. In fact it gives examples of those who go beyond the norm, like Bajwa to give his patient excellent care. I do believe this article can change the minds of those who think that receiving an education from a Caribbean school somehow makes one less able to tackle residency or lesser doctors somehow. There is discrimination in the residency process where US medical students are preferred over IMGs in certain programs and hopefully articles such as these and students such as these can help convince programs to take in more Caribbean students. Residency programs should look at the work ethic and determination instead of just which school you went to. That I think will still be a struggle, but articles such as these help change preconceived thoughts residency programs may have about Caribbean students.
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Post by Sapna Gopal on Feb 26, 2017 13:14:47 GMT -4
The article definitely shows the Caribbean medical student in a better light. It focuses on the struggles and challenges we face competing on island to stay in our respective programs as well as showing that once in residency we are no different than our peers from US medical schools. In fact it gives examples of those who go beyond the norm, like Bajwa to give his patient excellent care. I do believe this article can change the minds of those who think that receiving an education from a Caribbean school somehow makes one less able to tackle residency or lesser doctors somehow. There is discrimination in the residency process where US medical students are preferred over IMGs in certain programs and hopefully articles such as these and students such as these can help convince programs to take in more Caribbean students. Residency programs should look at the work ethic and determination instead of just which school you went to. That I think will still be a struggle, but articles such as these help change preconceived thoughts residency programs may have about Caribbean students.
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Post by K Little on Feb 28, 2017 19:26:50 GMT -4
Its interesting that I've heard some of these same issues being discussed in our office. It has always seemed to me like if your going to attend a Caribbean medical school you have to be even more determined to get ahead than if your going to attend an American medical school because the odds are going to be stacked against you from the start. Unfortunately American residency programs and fellowships are quick to sterotype applicants when they only have a piece of paper in front of them. That being said its becoming more and more necessary that we have physicians who are willing and able to care for underserved populations. This seems to be a growing need that Caribbean medical students can fill and thrive in.
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Post by Zagros Motamed AUA on Feb 28, 2017 21:39:38 GMT -4
Like some posters above have mentioned it should not matter where you graduated from as long as you pass all the board exams and obtain a residency then you are just as qualified as a US MD graduate. I feel most of the stigma comes from people who do not understand what it takes to obtain a medical license (i.e. passing the same tests, obtaining the same residency training...) so education about the qualifications of foreign MD's should help with the negative stigma. I do agree that the for profit nature of Caribbean medical schools does take advantage of a quite a few number of students who fail to make it to the end. This is something that needs to be addressed for sure but this fact does not reflect on the knowledge or qualifications of those who have graduated and are practicing physicians.
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